Be careful with Zoom guys.

Edit: It seems that they have updated their TOS , however I will never trust a company like this , remember with all of this AI going around right now Data is the new oil.

  • Mikelius
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    Title probably needs to be reworded. Terms clearly mention they won’t use it without user consent, not that they MUST use it. Doesn’t mean it’ll stay that way, but just don’t consent for it when asked and you’re probably okay (I’m mentioning this for those who have no choice but to use it, for things like work)

    • @CmdrShepard@lemmy.one
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      What does consent consist of? Most other TOS state that using the product means you consent to whatever is included in the TOS.

    • @Elw@lemmy.sdf.org
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      But if you don’t consent, do they still let you use their services? I’m going to bet that, at best, it’ll be designed to make users think they must consent to use the service.

      • Mikelius
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        Who knows, guess we’ll find out. The only point I was trying to make is the title of the article being misleading to an assumption rather than fact. It’s very possible what you just mentioned is the case, but we won’t know until later. My personal concern is the fact Zoom is used for work for many and getting around that for most folks will be the hard part. I hope the terms for free users vs business agreements differ.

  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod
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    If you need teleconferencing with screen share I highly recommend Jitsi. Easy to set up, pretty low system requirements, and open source.

    • @elevator2182@lemmy.ca
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      On the thread about this on HN someone posted a link stating Jitsi has the same policy as Zoom regarding this matter. It’s equally bad.

      Edit: I stand corrected, apologies. It’s not the same policy as zoom.

        • @elevator2182@lemmy.ca
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          from “4. Your Content” (emphasis mine)

          You give 8×8 (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that Your content works better with the Service), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display, and distribute such content solely for the limited purpose of operating and enabling the Service to work as intended for You and for no other purposes.

          Despite the good intention from the company, this sounds like lawyer-speak that legally protect them if they decided to use your content to train ML model. IANAL though.

          But it’s not the same as Zooms policy. I agree. I stand corrected and edited my original comment.

      • @CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml
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        12 years ago

        Sadly incorrect.

        Louis Rossman has a video about zoom trying to sponsor him, Jitsi request only what is needed for functionality only and there terms of service mention that explicitly. How do you blur a background without detecting a face etc.

      • Semi-Hemi-Demigod
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        I’m talking about using a self-hosted Jitsi instance. That one will work on a completely air-gapped network so you don’t have to share data with them.

        • Pokadots
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          I feel like I’m missing something, but air gapping a video conferencing system seems counterproductive

          • Semi-Hemi-Demigod
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            Not if you have a large facility that needs videoconferencing and needs to be secure. Ostensibly there would be people who are also on the airgapped network.

  • @JoeKrogan@lemmy.world
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    Brave has a built in webrtc calls called brave talk for quick calls. Its well suited if the person on the other end is non technical. It supports up to 4 people free and can even be used to share tabs playing video and audio to watch stuff together.

    • @JoeKrogan@lemmy.world
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      To those downvoting. Zoom is shit as it is. At least brave is FOSS and webrtc is an open standard. You can use the service without brave itself. But whatever let’s all knee jerk react and downvote. I’m simply stating information, it is factual I’m not holding a gun to your head to use it and I dont care if you do.

  • Elise
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    I use Jitsi professionally. Never had a problem. I send a link over and they hop on via the web interface and get it working quickly without prior knowledge of the platform. Oh ya, minor detail: it’s FOSS.

  • @cmeerw@programming.dev
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    12 years ago

    Not sure if they have only just added a clarification, but it now says

    Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent.

      • @kbotc@lemmy.world
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        Zoom’s about to try and claim their click through EULA trumps client-attorney privilege. Let’s see how that goes for them.

      • @howlingecko@sh.itjust.works
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        THIS! When I read Zoom’s response to the tweet that was the focus of this original post, my initial thought was “…but you are having them agree to terms without an opt-out”

    • @knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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      As I understand it’s extortionate consent though. Either you “consent” to your private data being used in this way, or you can’t use Zoom.

      Good thing there’s self hosted and E2EE alternatives.

      • Em Adespoton
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        Nope; enterprise Zoom has its own flexible TOS; large companies actually negotiate terma with them (you know, a real TOS contract).

        I stopped using the free version in mid-pandemic because of their TOS changes.

        • @HedonismB0t@sh.itjust.works
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          Lol of course you get to redline the TOS and negotiate for an Enterprise contract with Zoom, but your average user doesn’t have an annual contract for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and has to agree to the TOS.

  • LemmyLefty
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    At this point if we go back to messenger pigeons I half expect to see spam tied to the other leg.

    • @Elw@lemmy.sdf.org
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      I love how there’s a whole generation of people who think that we went straight from email to to Slack and Discord. There was a whole, vibrant, ecosystem of XMPP and IRC services before these walled gardens showed up and supplanted open protocols in order to data mine their users.

      I’m preaching to the choir in here, obviously, but we’ve been preaching this gospel for years and nobody cared. Not looking so crazy now. Unfortunately, the damage is done. Privacy has lost.

      • fear
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        Privacy has been beaten to a bloody pulp, but the fight doesn’t need to be called yet. Don’t give up, keep telling everyone you can. I know things are looking low right now, but every person you reach matters.

        In the case of Zoom, an approach that could actually work is having every step of the solution already completed if you’ve got an employer trying to push Zoom on employees. Make sure you can clearly state here’s the problem, here’s why it’s dangerous for the company, here’s a great alternative, here’s why it’s safest for the company, and here’s how you install it. Reach out to the IT dept if you’re not the IT dept to get them on board. If the advice is coming from multiple employees, that will help your case.

      • @Unfocused@lemm.ee
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        I have gone back to using XMPP and have my family and friends using it. There has been a uptik in development of this protocol and the mobile apps have gotten way better. Facebook, whats app, google, and countless others all started with XMPP/jabber and they all could talk to each other. That is until they walled them off to try and force everyone on to there app. Its so dumb that we had a federated chat system that was taking hold until the big tech players got involed and sucked up the users then turned off federation. Chat could and still can be like email if there is critical mass on one of these federated protocols so everyone will start useing it.

        My phone number is run though my XMPP server, no matter what phone or computer I use I can access my phone number. Hell I could drop my phone plan all together, if I wanted to and just use wifi for calls. 90% of the time im connected to wifi anyways. I use jmp.chat and the android app cheogram you should check it out.

        • sadreality
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          That was admin decision, not courts. But anyway looks like your location has [NOT] been greased properly but don’t worry I am sure some clown is working on it as week speak. Those juice public sector contracts are prime time for corruption.