FreeBSD is a massive pain in the butt, the only thing that really saves it is their handbook. The documentation is incredible , so if you’re willing to put in the hours it’s a great staple operating system.

I do love the pkg system now, it definitely beats trying to build everything out of the ports tree. It’s a fun thing to play with, but I don’t suggest it to people for a daily driver unless they really want to learn about it.

I never bought into the ecosystem. My first laptop had os/2 warp, then I moved to slackware for years. After that onto FreeBSD when I became a sysadmin. I was turned onto Ubuntu by one of our developers (12.04) and then ended up on Debian when I started gaming. Played guild wars and bf1942 for years until ea used anticheat that was Linux compatible, but disabled it, then moved away from games with a community so toxic it requires software to stop cheaters. I even had an employer pay for a windows xp cert for me and thought it was the jankiest operating system I’d ever used. It was impossible to update everything, the command line was neutered and it t was so slow compared to everything else I used.

Currently I run proxmox and debian on home servers and cachyos on my laptop and gaming computer. I buy computers with no os, or build from scratch where I can and only choose games based on Linux compatibility. I don’t have a need for windows because I’ve never used it for anything besides software testing. I never understood how windows and a FreeBSD clone became the two biggest players in the market.

Windows is like McDonald’s. No one really likes it, but it’s ubiquitous, you know you’re not going to like it, and you’re going to regret it as soon as you bite into it, but you expect that, so you choking it down doesn’t seem so bad. It’s convenient and a lot of other people eat from there, so you try to convince yourself that it’s acceptable for dinner and eat it anyway.

That’s a good question.

Short answer, no.

Long answer, Jeff Gerling did a great blog on Red Hat restricting access to its flagship RHEL while still providing upstream access. https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/clearing-fud-surrounding-red-hats-actions/

I don’t use UNIX any more, I use Linux. I don’t see what windows 11 has to do with the security focus of UNIX vs Linux. Can you help me understand more clearly what you’re asking?

Honestly when Linux was becoming popular (moreso than minix anyway) the future of BSD UNIX was uncertain because of active lawsuits by SCO UNIX.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_Group,_Inc._v._International_Business_Machines_Corp.

It was in such a bad state that lots of businesses were paralyzed and the future looked pretty bad for BSD overall. Usage was dropping and Linux was just hitting the scene. Linus Torvalds even stated that if he had heard of FreeBSD, he would have not had to make the Linux kernel.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8641073

I was a sys admin and used FreeBSD for years and even ran it on the desktop until I tried Ubuntu and Debian shortly thereafter. The hardware support for laptops and GPU support for desktops were non existent in BSD, but Debian was easy to install and was much better at gaming.

Today I use a combo of Debian in servers and cachyos on my laptop and gaming computer. Linux and UNIX are vastly different in how they are implemented for security. Imagine two glasses, both 8 oz. One is titled usability and the other titled security. You have only 8 oz of water to divide among them.

UNIX Is all about security. Even though you can pour a little into usability to make it do what you need to do, you’ll have to custom compile kernels and add tons of pkgs to make it more usable and that affects security. Each pkg is potentially a security issue.

Linux wants to install on all the things, so tons of kernel modules are installed and gobs of software come by default. Most of their water stays on the usability glass because they don’t want you to struggle. They want it to just work right out of the box.

Because of this, BSD will always lag behind in usability, and Linux will always be more liberal about security. Just my 2 cents, take it fwiw

Their default browser resets the home page to their site so they get artificial visits from every installed instance.

She’s moving to more independent and self controlled content now.

https://people.com/jaime-pressly-joins-onlyfans-to-create-content-own-terms-exclusive-11969682

So the community got so bad the developers had to intervene to take measures to prevent them from cheating each other out of fake internet points and people still play? Hrm… Doesn’t sound like something I’d want to get into anyway.

Srsly tho… Garmin. My stupid gps need windows which means keeping a win 10 vm on my proxmox to fire it up and update using their dumb software . I paid for lifetime maps and I’m going to get them, damn it.

Inferior.

Louis Rossman just did a video on this very topic. He had a hot take on it, but it’s about the double edged sword of Internet anonymity in his formative years.

Absolutely not, and please don’t be ashamed. I didn’t take anything you said as hostile at all. I always appreciate a great discussion. Asserting opinions combined with asking questions is a great way to learn. I’m glad to be able to help open your understanding about why some people use different releases and how they can be useful outside of just the current release. Thank you for being open for an exchange of ideas.

I understand and respect your opinion. I have new hardware though, a Ryzen 7 9800X3D and 9070XT GPU. I bought them a couple of weeks after release and needed drivers for them to “get my money’s worth” out of them. (CP2077 at 4k with 144hz was a must!) I needed the newer mesa drivers at the time, and this was pre-trixie, so I opted to use forky instead. I opted to not reinstall after trixie was released as I already had all of my stuff set up and configured. As far as security, package releases in deb go into sid for 10, 5, or 2 days for stability testing (depending on the urgency) before being pushed into forky, but the Debian security team does not work with either sid or forky. So, neither are really more or less secure than the other. Forky is just a teeny bit more “stable” than unstable.

I personally take a calculated risk, I understand the security implications and rely on other external network-based security measures, so probably feel a bit more confident than most users and am willing to take the risk more than others may. I also have submitted bugs and provide feedback to packages fairly often for both Debian and KDE while using both trixie and forky, which I feel is important for end-user usability. I’ve been using Debian for a long time and have tried to contribute back where I can.

I’ve been on Debian for over 20 years now, after a major issue with a LAMP server using Ubuntu Warthog and going to “the source” of Ubuntu to work out a few issues. I ended up converting all of my servers (Former SysAdmin) to Debian within a few weeks. After that, I moved from Slackware at home and Ubuntu at work to Debian everywhere and never looked back.

My laptop and dev box are Debian Trixie along with two home servers that are Debian Bookworm. My gaming computer is Debian Forky. Looking for the latest stable release to play games with, which is what most recommendations are for, will tell you to use Debian stable builds but stay away from Ubuntu LTS because they’re not up to date .

Forky (testing) is a great gaming distro with the latest drivers, but people are afraid it’s unstable (which is Debian Sid), so they choose to compare other distros to the last stable release while pushing Arch and the latest Ubuntu because Debian testing is too bleeding edge for what they think of Debian, which is supposed to be stable.

Super popular tv show from the 90s with Jennifer Anniston (from Office Space), Courtney Cox (from Scream) and a bunch of other schmucks that I can’t remember.

It is still developed, but still only 32 bit.

https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos/

I bought a laptop in 1995 with OS2/warp on it. An IBM thinkpad 365xd. It was a glorious time.

From a security standpoint, yes they can be broken out of, just like a docker or a virtual machine , but they use bubblewrap to isolate environments just like flatpaks. Malicious content aside they are just as isolated and sandboxed as a docker image or vm

I’m still burnt about this. I’ve been a subscriber since they started Linux support. Cancelling it last week sucked but I definitely let them know why during the process. It did a great job managing cp2077 mods on Linux.

Yes, it has different wine instances for each installed application, it uses a flatpak style separation to prevent them from accessing each other.