I care about my privacy, though I like it’s UI. Is it really as bad as some say?
YES, IT IS!
You should NOT trust Brave to not play fast and loose with your privacy. They already operate an advertising network (it operates on those stupid little BAT tokens) and they DO inject ads and affiliate links.
I strongly recommend Firefox1 or Librewolf.
1 - You must install plugins and apply user.js fixes yourself to properly harden Firefox completely against tracking; but this is doable.
Someone on the last Brave thread suggested using Floorp and honestly I’ve been loving it. It comes with Tree Style Tabs support but I much I prefer Sidebery so I use Floorp’s built in sidebar with Sidebery instead. It works fantastic, and using Firefox color theming to tweak everything also works well.
Hey, I use Firefox but I’ve never heard of making edits to the user.js config. Could you point me in the direction of some information about this?
it’s the same as about:config
Check arkenfox: https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/
This. They detail perfectly how you can properly harden Firefox with whichever settings you think fit your privacy needs best and even discuss the tradeoffs for each setting.
Be careful, Brave marketing team is well known for disguising themselves as users and promote their bloated crapware via comments.
They overdid it in 4chan and ended up alienating the entire community.
Then they moved to Reddit but people already started seeing Brave for what they really are, a scummy company that has been caught redhanded way to many times to be trusted.
Now they are here on Lemmy, desperately trying to get more chumps under their ad machine before BAT hits 0 and their advertising partners lose all interest.
Just say no to Brave, there are way better browsers out there, with real privacy, that won’t make you look like a hateful brainwashed-by-politics piece of shit.
Any examples of their stuff on 4chan?
Bloated. That really nails what Brave is
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My dude, the question was about software.
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Yes.
f i r e f o x.
i mean cmon
It’s always been weird to me how people use Brave. Like there’s a big class of Brave users who seem like people who would just be better off on Firefox? I guess it’s some of the best evidence I have seen that marketing works.
The problem is, that Firefox Android can’t group tabs. That’s VERY important for me, and is the only reason I don’t use Firefox (it’s messy using different browsers in PC/Phone).
Fair enough. I don’t use either of those features, so it’s not on my mind.
They don’t like the guy.
It’s literally just a coat of paint on google chrome. You might as well install internet explorer toolbars until an unknown browser appears on your desktop and use that.
It has an opt in option to sell ad space for some of its crypto. Some people just are offended that the option is even there.
because that effectively make them an advertising company.
Advertising online is incompatible with privacy, there’s no reconciliation between the two. And whoever tells you otherwise, is an advertiser.
Unfortunately there’s ads in Firefox too, and they’re opt out instead of opt in. I’m certainly not a fan of it, but outside of LibreWolf until servo becomes a thing I think should be right but we’re stuck choosing lesser of multiple evils.
there’s a huge difference: Firefox does not inject ads on the pages you visit.
Anyway, I recommend to use Librewolf or Mullvad Browser instead of Firefox.
Some people dont see it as a black and white issue.
Does firefox lose its privacy status if it takes google money and makes the default search engine google search?
Definitely yes. Firefox is not private as provided by Mozilla. You have to use a custom user.js to disable all the tracking, or install a Firefox based browser like Librewolf or Mullvad Browser.
Hence not everyone sees it as a black and white thing, because there will be a lot of people who would disagree with your statement to some extent.
And… why aren’t people / you using ungoogled-chromium?
Should not be used on Android as it’s 1.5 years out of date.
https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium-android/releases/tag/99.0.4844.51-1-webview
Okay that’s fair, but for Desktop they’ve regular updates. For Android Vanadium (from GrapheneOS) is probably the best pick.
I do not use it, my comment was only about the Android version.
Because it still supports a monolithic browser engine culture. But that’s not a privacy thing.
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Stop using chromium.
I’ll do it when Firefox gets a UI that looks modern.
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Oh man that’s slick as hell!
I have officially switched back to firefox
OP is a man of his word.
Respect
This looks great
Bruh you’re on Lemmy
Dark theme on most Linux distros looks clean with breeze or… whatever dark theme gnome users use. Quite nice, really. I’m cool with the angular look.
Honestly the lack of macOS native UI is a dealbreaker for me. I love Firefox to death but I can’t stand using non-native UI (on any OS).
I take it you’re using Safari and not a Chromium based browser then?
Boy, that’s a hot take
I didn’t notice anything very different style wise when I switched. You can also add different themes like you can in chrome too.
There’s nothing wrong with Firefox’s UI. I’ve been using it for years, along side Chrome and whatever else my work makes me use. For home stuff, I use Firefox, and I don’t notice any difference except they don’t incessantly track me.
Yea I don’t think it’s bad for privacy, just there are better options out there which get you the same privacy while also addressing other issues? Issues like Chromium, history of controversies and shady behaviour (crypto, replacing ads with their own), the business model, and issues with the CEO.
Instead, why not just use standard Firefox? The only downside I’ve heard is that the default settings don’t do what Brave does when you first install each browser, but that’s a weak argument considering we all modify the settings anyway. Someone should just outline which Firefox settings should be flipped to match default Brave, and we can be done with the weekly ‘Why not Brave’ discussions
I use Firefox as my daily browser, and run Mullvad browser when I need to be cautious with a task.
Easier option is to use Librewolf since they do a lot of work for you
Or Mull if you’re on Android
Can’t, i need chromium extensions
Like what?
Well stuff like chromegle, there isn’t anything similar on Firefox, and there are just less extensions in general. Probably the dumbest reason but doesn’t change the fact that i need them
Any suggestions for someone who has multiple clients who solely support Chrome-only for their products so I have to do all my testing in Chrome (or Brave, Vivaldi, etc.)?
In some cases their apps straight up don’t function in Firefox or look substantially different and I’m not really allowed to bill for the time to address that.
And it is because of these lousy developers that live inside a Google world that people don’t want to use Firefox.
Fair…but…if I start filtering jobs over whether or not I have to support Chrome, I’d be in for some hard times :(
Just use something vanilla like Ungoogled Chromium. Don’t use it for everything, only for working on projects that require it.
No, brave is not bad for your privacy. There has been some controversie but no dealbreaker so far imo.
If you’re on mobile I think brave has hands down the best UX (not necessarily UI but I like it a lot), on desktop I recommend firefox, which has a lot of custom themes to choose from (https://firefoxcss-store.github.io).
I personally like and use https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix
It’s less about whether any individual thing they’ve done has been bad, more that they keep doing things and keep doing thm in sneaky ways. Every time something happened the CEO went on a marketing campaign and drummed up a bunch of new users to drown out the news story. They come across as shady, which gives the impression that it would take a relatively small sack of money for them to sell their users up the river.
Brave is better than some out of the box, but far from the best. I’d say Mull is better for mobile, which is a Firefox fork. It has a companion Android System Webview called Mulch.
Oh for fuck’s sake brave
I like Firefox mostly because it’s cool to have engine competition. I mostly use the default dark theme. It looks good enough for me. I don’t look much at the top when browsing.
On android it’s still lagging behind the chromium competition. And having mismatched browsers isn’t great for syncing. So I just use Firefox on android too, good enough.
Tho, if miss matching wasn’t an issue, personally I think I would use Kiwi browser. It’s an open source chromium browser which supports chrome extensions.
AFAIK no, but if someone has to say something about privacytests’s results (bad methodology? inconclusive?) I’m interested to know
the page and the tests are run by a brave employee. That’s what I have to say.
Not saying the tests are false. The code is available. I’m just saying that the factors that the tests evaluates and the page layout, is heavily biased towards Brave. Is that a coincidence with the author being employed by Brave? I don’t know.
You’re on Lemmy. Lemmy hates Brendan Eich. Take the top comments with a grain of salt.
I mean, there’s good reason to hate the guy, but there’s plenty of controversies the browser has had as well that should ward anyone who cares about privacy away from it, they’ve proven they will do shady stuff without users knowing like affiliate link injection, and then just “apologize” when caught.
Google would be crucified for doing that yet when a shady crypto browser does it it gets a pass.
Folks know they’ll never be Google. Folks think they might just become crypto rich Someday Soon.
