In an unexpected mask off “secure” email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton’s services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let’s collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

Edit:typo

  • ZeroOne
    -11•11 days ago

    Are you one of those TechLore punks ? Use privacytools

      • ZeroOne
        1•11 days ago

        Except PrivacyGuides literally steals (including money) from PrivacyTools & PrivacyTools have made it clear to mark something as promotional

        • @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de
          2•11 days ago

          Except PrivacyGuides literally steals (including money)

          False.

          PrivacyTools have made it clear to mark something as promotional

          No they absolutely do not, stop being a shill

          From https://www.privacytools.io/donate

          The only sponsorship of PrivacyTools.io so far is the service “Redact.dev” click here to view the example. To avoid confusion, these entries will be clearly marked as a sponsored entry.

          I will make this very clear: No tool or service will be added here just because an affiliate program is offered.

          Clearly false when the VPN page lists NordVPN as the best pick, followed by Surfshark and an and for Incogni at the bottom of the page.

      • ZeroOne
        0•11 days ago

        You do know that PT cleary mentions who sponsors them (& PG stole funds & people from PT)<br> Honestly every single TechLore personnel are pretty much liars & thieves & shills(that Aragon guy was the one who stole money)

        • @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de
          1•11 days ago

          PG stole funds

          Following this, BurungHantu made false accusations about Jonah stealing donations from the project. BurungHantu had over a year since the alleged incident occurred, and yet he never made anyone aware of it until after the Privacy Guides migration. BurungHantu has been repeatedly asked for proof and to comment on the reason for his silence by the team and the community, and has not done so.

          From https://www.privacyguides.org/en/about/privacytools/

          people from PT

          the pt people voluntarily and unanimously moved to pg

          • ZeroOne
            1•10 days ago

            Suuuuuure cuz You said so, The foundations of PG were built on a lie & PT still has the updated info

            • @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de
              1•10 days ago

              The foundations of PG were built on a lie & PT still has the updated info

              Suuuuuure cuz You said so

              I linked many sources, where are yours? There’s no lies here, Burung was absent from github, the reddit and all the chats for multiple years and now wants them back to delete all the evidence.

              PT still has the updated info

              Like NordVPN and Surfshark? The same thing PrivacyTools itself warned about promoting in their blog that’s now deleted?

          • ZeroOne
            1•10 days ago

            Not a good reason, techlore fanboy The website is pretty decent & clean & they have a better licencing

            You drank the TechLore kool-aid Mistef

            • @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de
              0•10 days ago

              The website is pretty decent & clean

              what the fuck? Google has a clean website, doesn’t mean I should be using it. The usefulness of the information is what matters, and privacytools ranking ads as “best picks” sure as hell isn’t informative

              better licencing

              same as above. Doesn’t matter if they have a better license when everything else is a scam

                • @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de
                  1•9 days ago

                  What ads & what scam ? Disroot ? Picocrypt ?

                  From https://www.privacytools.io/donate

                  The only sponsorship of PrivacyTools.io so far is the service “Redact.dev” click here to view the example. To avoid confusion, these entries will be clearly marked as a sponsored entry.

                  I will make this very clear: No tool or service will be added here just because an affiliate program is offered.

                  Clearly false when the VPN page lists NordVPN as the best pick, followed by Surfshark and an and for Incogni at the bottom of the page.

                  PG’s Jonah Aragon steal PT’s creator’s funds & his subreddit & censors anyone who mentions it

                  🌟lies🌟

                  can you stop linking that one video which uses “trust me bro” and the privacytools website itself as sources and link some actual verifiable stuff?

      • ZeroOne
        0•11 days ago

        Boy I guess PT is not allowed to make money to fund their website It’s way better than leaching from PT & TechLore fans

      • @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de
        -2•11 days ago

        tech bro recommendations like Brave browser

        I’m never gonna recommend librewolf/mullvad browser/whatever is popular these days to a coworker, even if I daily drive them. Do you know what I did suggest to them, and they actually switched to it from chrome? Brave.

        It’s not the best, it’s not the most powerful, but being able to say “it’s chrome but without ads” is a major selling point, especially with non tech savy people who don’t want their cookies cleared on every restart

        • @sudoer777@lemmy.ml
          4•11 days ago

          Nowadays I would recommend Zen Browser + uBO over Brave which has a nice user-friendly UI and supposedly disables telemetry. Before Zen Browser, disabling the crap Brave comes with takes a similar amount of effort as tweaking Librewolf’s aggressive privacy settings, but one of them is actually privacy focused and the other is run by a shady ad crypto company with a shady news feed that keeps pushing Fox News and a homophobic CEO. For mobile there’s Cromite.