Like the title states looking for E2EE apps (Android and iOS) without going into much details or needs to be robust enough and easy to use for anyone and stable for operations that are susceptible to constant electronic warfare. I did some research and thought about replacing Signal with Molly and wondering if it will still work if Signal leaves the EU, but am also worried about its updates to patch vulnerabilities in a timely manner. I appreciate the help I am a “Jack of all trades and master of none” when it comes to these types of programs, but am also the go to currently in my unit since I am somewhat knowledgeable about exploits and attacks that can compromise systems would be great if there was an desktop as well (like Signal) and would also be nice if it was FOSS and auditable ( I know that’s kind of redundant ) I know it’s a tall order to ask but figured I would try. I really appreciate the help so much and hope I did things by the rules here and don’t get flamed if this has already been covered ( I searched but my skills with searching the fediverse is low

    • Possibly linux
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      21 year ago

      VPNs won’t fix all of your issues. In fact, I don’t think it will do much in this situation

    • @RangerAndTheCat@lemmy.worldOP
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      That’s what I’m hoping some consideration considering it would undermine everything in regards to the lifes at risk. Currently using Proton but think Mullvad now it keeps coming up. Does it offer other services as well similar to Proton and if so how are they? Thank you for your reply.

      • @Pantherina@feddit.de
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        11 year ago

        No mullvad is a vpn. For mail use some other providers not in your country, switzerland for example. For cloud I would say selfhost.

          • @Pantherina@feddit.de
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            No maybe Dont do that!

            See any VPS provider you can pay by crypto. Access it over the Tor browser. Either do some Linode oneclick stuff or follow some setup to setup a server and wireguard VPN.

            I can help you if you want.

            Mullvad is easy to block, as every servers IP is known. Custom servers not so likely.

            If that fails, Tor network with bridges…

      • @jet@hackertalks.com
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        Mullvad is a non-profit focused on privacy as a human right. They provide anonymous VPN services, you can pay with them with crypto, cash, a lot of different things that help distance you from the service. They also provide a Firefox fork, called mullvad browser which is like a mix of the tor browser, arkenfox with all the privacy respecting options set correctly out of the box

  • @SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de
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    The only alternative that’s FOSS and not centrally controlled is Matrix. By being decentralized, anyone can run their own server and good luck stopping that.

    There may be 200 other “alternatives”, but they’re irrelevant to the point where I consider then non-existent. Nobody has heard of them. Nobody is using them. Trying to push them on normal people will most likely result in them no longer talking to you as often or at all, and none of the other ones has any chance of reaching a critical mass. Matrix at least has some recognition among nerds and some, tiny amount of adoption outside.

    Stop pushing random niche shit, it does privacy a disservice.

    • @Fungah@lemmy.world
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      I don’t understand why people think downloading s fucking app is so arduous. I truly don’t. Their stalwart refusal. To do it puzzles tf out of me.

      • If I installed a different app for every friend I had, I’d have a homescreen full just of chat apps. What’s worse, those niche privacy friendly apps go under or out of favor often.

        You might be able to convince some of your friends to install an app just for you once, but by the time you’re telling them “this one now sucks, I’m on other app now” for the second time, they’ll just stop chatting with you, and if you ask them repeatedly, likely shun you even IRL because most people want to live their lives, not chase chat apps for their friends’ weird interests.

        And even if they do that, they’ll have one app that they use every day, and one that sits in the bottom of their app drawer. Guess who gets invited to do something on the weekend, the person who shows up on their main contact list, or the person that would show up if they dug out that dusty app? And guess what the phone is gonna do with that app once it hasn’t been opened for a week… it’s going to deprioritize it so it won’t even work properly, while their main daily-opened app always gets push notifications immediately.

        You don’t have to like it. You can pretend it’s not happening. But it will happen.

    • @zShxck@lemmy.ml
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      The only alternative that’s FOSS and not centrally controlled is Matrix

      That’s not true, there is also XMPP which is lighter and far more decentralized than Matrix

  • @SirEDCaLot@lemmy.fmhy.net
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    Much has been said about the idea of ‘signal leaving UK or EU’. Little has been said about how exactly that would happen.

    AFAIK, Signal has no business presence in the UK or EU. IE, no offices, no registered corporate entities. Thus, they (arguably) have no more requirement to comply with UK’s or EU’s regulations than, say, Iran’s or China’s or any other jurisdiction where they do not do business and have no presence.

    Signal’s leadership has a record of giving any regional restrictions the middle finger, so I doubt Signal would voluntarily block EU countries. So that means the EU would either pressure Google and Apple to delist Signal (easily worked around, at least on Android, and soon on Apple too as EU is trying to force sideloading) or they’d pressure ISPs to block connections to Signal (more or less impossible).

    If EU tried to do that, it’d just create a giant game of whack-a-mole. And people doing real CSAM shit would just move to even more private distributed systems.

  • @sir_reginald@lemmy.world
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    XMPP or SimpleX. It’s easy to block signal, given they require a phone number and the servers are centralized. But it’s quite hard, potentially impossible, to block the federated XMPP network or the decentralized relay structure of SimpleX

    • Natanael
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      You need to add encryption on top with OTR plugins or equivalent

      Or use Matrix where it’s on by default

      • @ngn@lemy.lol
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        i would argue that matrix is not decentralized enough (almost everybody is on matrix.org)

        also all popular XMPP clients (conversations, gajim etc.) supports OMEMO and OpenPGP/PGP out of the box

        • @EngineerGaming@feddit.nl
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          Also Matrix servers are way more resource-intensive than XMPP ones. Synapse one is probably not even possible to run on my low-spec VPS, idk about Dendrite or Conduit. And from what I’ve heard, the server is harder to manage.

          • @ngn@lemy.lol
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            thats actualy one of the reasons i stopped using matrix - synapse kept crashing my server lol

            but i should also mention that XMPP servers have less documentation/tutorials, i spent an entire week just to get prosody to work as i wanted it to

            • @Chobbes@lemmy.world
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              In my experience prosody is pretty easy to set up, but there’s also Snikket now which is built on prosody and hopefully makes setup even easier (but I haven’t used it).

  • @gasull@lemmy.ml
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    You can just continue using Signal. All the alternatives will disappear from the app stores too unless they spy on you.

    A recent alternative with even better privacy is SimpleX: https://simplex.chat/

  • Possibly linux
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    I would still use Signal. By ignoring bad laws you are turning the EU government into a laughing stock

  • Ludwig van Beethoven
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    Pretty sure signal won’t be forced to do anything:

    Encryption plays an essential role in securing communications. The international human rights law test of legality, necessity and proportionality should be applied to any measures that would affect encryption. Both the UN Commissioner for Human Rights[1]and the European Data Protection Supervisor[2]have concluded that the EU’s proposal for a regulation on child sexual abuse material fails this test[3].

    this is from May this year, when Spain proposed this. How in the everliving fuck the EU can get away with violating human rights?

    So yeah I’ll eat my hat unsalted if this actually will break encryption

  • mihor
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    11 year ago

    Pardon my ignorance but is EU really truly considering this colossaly stupid move to ban E2EE?

  • @Ihnivid@feddit.de
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    I’d just like to point out that if Signal leaves the EU, it will most likely just mean that it’s not available through the official app stores. With Signal updating itself, it’s just a little inconvenient to install it on a new device, though, they even said that they’ll try to make it as easy as possible.

          • @barryamelton@lemmy.ml
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            He didn’t want Signal on FDroid because surprise surprise he just wanted to roll their own crypto coin with insiders knowledge. You can’t do that with open source so easily. There’s a reason they didn’t publish code for years. That people still support those crooks, who have lost all credibility, for a privacy app, baffles me.

            Thank god we have Matrix now.

    • @tVxUHF@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Yup. At most, Signal gets removed from the Play Store. There’s no meaningful way to block Signal, especially now that big CDN providers are starting to rollout Encrypted Client Hello.

      • @freebee@sh.itjust.works
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        “If it’s not allowed in the play store and we need to click away a Google warning or 2, maybe it’s dangerous and we shouldn’t use it” - average Joe. Next step: “… suspect was using signal, so we decided to …” yada yada yada same as it already is perceived in general for tor and even with VPN in some countries. Just the fact you’re not using the thing most other people use makes you stand out.

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      Yep. One can even self host so no one can really force removing do something to e2ee

    • @Kalcifer@lemm.ee
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      I caution mentioning both Matrix, and Element as if they are synonymous – they are not (I’m quite certain that that wasn’t your intent, but the usage of the forward slash could be interpreted as such). It may lead to confusion for newcomers. It would essentially be the same as saying “I recommend ActivityPub/Thunder” to someone who you want to introduce to Lemmy. Matrix is the protocol, and Element is simply a client that interacts with the Matrix protocol.

      I personally think that it’s sufficient to recommend Matrix if one is mentioning chat-app alternatives. Of course, nothing is stopping one from also recommending a client, but I don’t believe that it’s entirely necessary.

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      very happy about matrix v2 future. it will be awesome then!